Tuesday, September 13, 2011

Dems Who Voted To Enshrine Discrimination in the State's Constitution

The Ten Democrats in the NC House who voted with Republicans on the gay discrimination amendment:
William Brisson of Dublin
Jim Crawford of Oxford
Ellmer Floyd of Fayetteville
Ken Goodman of Rockingham
Charles Graham of Lumberton
Dewey Hill of Lake Waccamaw
Frank McGuirt of Wingate
Bill Owens of Elizabeth City
Garland Pierce of Wagram
Tim Spear of Creswell

Includes the original Five Goobers plus five more, three of whom are black reps who should remember a thing or two about writing discrimination into Southern constitutions.


Henery said...

A "who's who" of Triangle business entrepreneurs -- some 75 of them --signed an open letter to the General Assembly yesterday begging them to drop this silly anti-gay crusade because IT'S BAD FOR BUSINESS. "Under the Dome" had the details: http://projects.newsobserver.com/under_the_dome/business_leaders_ask_lawmakers_to_think_about_jobs_not_marriage#comments

The Worried Teahadist said...

I thought all those Republican legislators were brain-dead zombies being remote controlled from pro-libertarian Koch Industries secret HQ?

Does this mean that all of JW's rants about them being under the thumb of Big Business are wrong? Tell us it ain't so!

Anonymous said...

It's too bad that the "black reps" don't vote the way you think "black reps" are supposed to vote!

Sometimes you just can't keep them from wandering off the plantation, huh?

Anonymous said...

So you do not like bipartisanship unless it goes your way?

Anonymous said...

What kind of Christian would vote to take away the rights of a targeted group of people? Answer: A so-called Christian who is really a bigot. Oh, and this is a jobs bill, right?

Anonymous said...

What does being a Christian have to do with this discussion? Would you prefer Muslims that think gays should be killed? What would that have to do with the discussion either? What does a job bill have to do with the discussion?

ajenn said...

I don't know about others, but I do not need the President of the United States, NC legislators, my church or anyone else to defend my marriage. I don't need an amendment to make my marriage more sacred or stronger.

brotherdoc said...

OK, NC GOP (and some blue dog Dems from down east), you have given your religious fanatic base their meat: no gay marriage in OUR state, abortions almost impossible and a humiliating punishment to any women who need them. NOW will you do something for the jobless, homeless, hungry, elderly, and poor? Wait, Jesus wasn't interested in helping those kinds of people, was he? What's that verse in the Bible: Give ye tax cuts unto the best off of these and ye have done the will of my Father?

Dog Tom Coffey said...

These folks should be heralded as heros for doing what is right. Gays shouldn't be allowed to marry legally as that is reserved for man and women. The Bible tells us this. Since we are a CHRISTIAN nation, these Senators are correct. With the far left line of thinking, Muslims should be allowed to marry dozens of women and stone them when they are done.

Blowing Rock in Blue said...

If the left cared about discrimination as they claim here, then why don't they attack racist gun laws targeting blacks since Reconstruction?

Anonymous said...

According to the Treaty of Tripoli, presented by President John Adams, we are not a nation founded solely on Christianity. I guess that is all open to interpretation,.just as the Bible continues to me interpreted differently according to various denominations (not religions)
100 years from now, when Americans want to marry aliens from another planet, the far-right evangelicals are going to find scripture to show we cannot do that.
I do not agree with how Muslims treat women or gays,.geez,..I don't think anyone does. This is America!!! Tom Coffey,.you may need to government to create an amendment to make your marriage more sacred,.but I don't.


ajenn said...


Liberal POV said...

Dog Tom Coffey

"Gays shouldn't be allowed to marry legally as that is reserved for man and women. The Bible tells us this."

What else does the Bible tell us?

" God decides to kill Moses because his son had not yet been circumcised. 4:24-26" Exodus

" God will kill the Egyptian children to show that he puts "a difference between the Egyptians and Israel." 11:7" Exodus

" A child who hits or curses his parents must be executed. 21:15,17" Exodus

"If an ox gores someone, then both the ox and its owner must die. 21:28-29" Exodus

"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." Exodus

"Those who break the Sabbath are to be executed. 31:14" Exodus

"Both parties in adultery shall be executed. 20:10" Leviticus

Dog Tom, you really believe all the above should be mandated by the NC General Assembly?

Your Christianity really believes in targeting groups for hate?

How is your own marriage threatened by gay marriage?

Anonymous said...

What is the difference in a civil union and a marriage?

Bald White Republican said...

I'm a Christian and a Republican, but not a bigot. I will be voting no on the amendment because it discriminates against a targeted group of people. We may as well pass a constitutional amendment that says bald white men aren't allowed their civil rights because we don't like the fact they have no hair.

Not Really said...

Dog Tom Coffey,

Actually, we are secular nation founded on principles of freedom, democratic government and individual rights. Religious freedom figured very importantly in the settling and the founding of this country. That is why Muslim law does not apply here - and also why Christian law does not apply here. Get it?

Anonymous said...

Not Really, did you not learn in school that our laws are based on Jewish - Christian teachings? Were you out that day?

Mike D. said...


I'm with you. I frequently vote for Republicans, though not always, to be sure. I vote in primary elections less than 50% of the time, but I will certainly go to the polls to vote against this discriminatory bill.

I'm not a Bible expert, so I have a question. If your campaign for public office is all about dedication to the principles of fiscal responsibility, then, once elected, you push for something completely different, is this not a lie? I am not certain how clear the Bible is specifically about gay marriage, but I think it's fairly clear about lying. In fact, I think it's one of the Ten Commandments... something about witnessing false bears?

Not Really said...

Anon 6:02,

If you learned that in school someone taught you wrong. American law is rooted in English Common Law, which in turn is rooted in Anglo-Saxon and Norman traditions of law and judgment, both secular traditions. I suggest you read this excellent summary and educate yourself:


Let's look at the 10 commandments, which some people claim (falsely) to be the basis of our current legal system:

1. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
2. Thou shalt not make graven images.
3. Thou shalt not use the Lord's name in vain.
4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
5. Honor thy mother and thy father.
6. Thou shalt not kill.
7. Thou shalt not commit adultery.
8. Thou shalt not steal.
9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
10. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's property.

Of these, exactly 3, numbers 6, 8 and 9, are statutes that you could claim have some relation to our laws, and prohibitions against killing, stealing and lying exist in nearly all cultures and religions. The idea that our law is based in Christianity is simply wrong and I can only hope they aren't teaching that in school.

Anonymous said...

Why are you only considering the ten commandments , NR?

You are once again incorrect.

You must have been out that day in school - repeatedly.

Anonymous said...

If homosexuality is so wrong, according to the Bible, I wonder why it never made the Top Ten?

Not Really said...


Unless you can bring some kind of coherent argument forward, I don't see how you are furthering your cause by continuing to post here. Saying "you're wrong" 5 times doesn't prove anything except that you don't have any facts to argue with.

I didn't miss much school or much Sunday school growing up. And in Sunday school we learned about faith and morality and also love and tolerance. I see too little of those last two in most self-styled fundamentalist Christians.

Anonymous said...

read the entire link, NR.


Mike D. said...


My sentiments exactly. Lying and stealing must be more important to have made the top ten list.

And lest we forget, from the story of Lot, pimping out your two teenage daughters as hookers to a crowd of men, then getting drunk and screwing them pregnant is "righteous"!

Not Really said...

Hi Anon,

I did read it. And then I did a little research about the "National Center for Constitutional Studies". Here's the way Wikipedia describes that group:

"The National Center for Constitutional Studies (NCCS) is an ultraconservative, religious-themed constitutionalist organization, founded by Mormon political writer Cleon Skousen. It was formerly known as The Freemen Institute.

According to the NCCS, the founding of the United States was a divine miracle. As such, the NCCS worldview and program are based on three major pillars: (1) understanding the divine guidance that has allowed the United States to thrive; (2) rejecting the tyrannical and sinful nature of the modern U.S. federal government; and (3) preparing for a divine reckoning that will bring down America's government and possibly tear society as we know it asunder, thus allowing those with sound principles — i.e., Godly NCCS graduates — to rebuild the republic."

Forgive me if I don't find propaganda from a fringe group to be a convincing argument. The founding fathers were Christians, yes (most of them on the most liberal side of Christianity of the day). That doesn't mean they set about to found a Christian nation. Don't quote me a random line from John Adams' diary in 1756. Go to the Constitution and show me what it says about Christianity. Hint: nothing. Here's what the Constitution says about religion:

(Article 6, Clause 3)
"no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."

(Amendment I)
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

That's it. You know what words are NOT in our Constitution? God, Christian, Christianity, Christ, Bible, Divine, and Creator. Providence only appears when they're talking about Providence, Rhode Island.

ajenn said...

Anonymous 6:02,..your link that tries to prove our country/constitution is based on the Bible and Christian principles is a far right stretch. The National Center for Constitutional Studies is ultra-conservative. Reading your link, imo, is like reading my horoscope in the Sunday paper and applying it to my situation. Your link is not factual,.it is opinion and speculation. Its like me, as a liberal Democrat, trying to prove my point to you by giving you Rachel Maddow as the sole source.
The way I see it, only by studying the actual documents (Declaration of Independence, Constitution, etc,..) and the writers,.can I fully comprehend what motivated them in their quest for our freedoms and rights. I believe, by studying our founding fathers, it is very apparent they were striving to keep religion and government truly seperate.

Anonymous said...

So you don't agree, big ddeal. Most other people do.